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Dropper · Mar 07, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by aapo

Ecclesiastes 1

Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 "Meaningless! Meaningless!"
says the Teacher.
"Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless."

3 What does man gain from all his labor
at which he toils under the sun?

4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.

5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.

6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.

7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.

8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.

9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

10 Is there anything of which one can say,
"Look! This is something new"?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.

11 There is no remembrance of men of old,
and even those who are yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow.

- This is one of my favorite parts of Bible.

enter_the_zone · Mar 07, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by Dropper

And those who reject wisdom because they don't like the packaging are stupider still.

Bryant Again · Mar 07, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Seriously, if you like GW, play GW. If you like WoW, play WoW. It's not even like playing WoW is a better value for your money in the long run; you may need to buy GW2 eventually (2009/2010...), but you're paying a monthly fee for WoW.

It's "worth" is always personal. If you're having fun with it, than it's worth it. If not, why are you paying for it?

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 07, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Dropper

Quoted for serious truth.

Aera Lure · Mar 07, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

And those who reject wisdom because they don't like the packaging are stupider still.

Lot of the good the packaging and the branding has done us.

Wisdom is perfectly fine standing on its own, and exists without that necessity.

Solas · Mar 07, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

are you having fun?

thats the real question, even in wow you have to do more work as in you get full pvp set armor new expansion makes it worthless.

every game is like this.

enxa · Mar 07, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Anet has planned for people stopping playing ocasionally.
Because there is no monthly fee, they dont loose anything when you take a break. In fact they might have their expenses lowered because you stop using their bandwidth. :P

While as when WoW players take a break, Blizzard looses money because you dont pay the fee anymore.

But there is still plenty of time for you to play before GW2 arrives.

As for some more comparison with WoW, Blizzard has announced its first expansion to WoW more than a year before it was released, and the seccond expansion is also announced a year before its release. That is a long time for expansions. Two, three years for a full new game is actually not that long. Many games take more than that to develop.

enter_the_zone · Mar 07, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Lot of the good the packaging and the branding has done us.

Wisdom is perfectly fine standing on its own, and exists without that necessity.

True, but religion is the primary facilitator for the transference of wisdom. Or it used to be, anyway.

Besides, attempting to pass on any form of wisdom seems to spontaneously create a religious framework, whether that was the intention or not.

Stupidity does a similar thing, as evidenced by many of the newer religions. A certain S comes to mind here. These new religions aren't any less valid than the "big 3" in and of themselves, but their core concepts and values tend to be pointless and stupid, whereas the "big 3" share a core concept of communal cooperation engendered through the religions rules.

Numa Pompilius · Mar 07, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

True, but religion is the primary facilitator for the transference of wisdom. Or it used to be, anyway.

The second sentence is important. Also I think one need to consider what one puts into the word "wisdom". It certainly isn't synonymous to "knowledge" in the modern sense of that word.

enter_the_zone · Mar 07, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by enxa

That is a long time for expansions. Two, three years for a full new game is actually not that long. Many games take more than that to develop.

The next Duke Nukem installment, for instance

enter_the_zone · Mar 07, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

The second sentence is important. Also I think one need to consider what one puts into the word "wisdom". It certainly isn't synonymous to "knowledge" in the modern sense of that word.

Wisdom was never the same as knowledge, at least as I view it. Knowledge is science (roughly). Wisdom is more ephemeral, more of a social thing, like thou shalt not kill.

Aera Lure · Mar 07, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

True, but religion is the primary facilitator for the transference of wisdom. Or it used to be, anyway.

I would beg to differ. More a facilitator of doctrine within an architecture of "us" vs "them". I agree though if we go back far enough religion in the west was responsible for the safekeeping of knowledge otherwise lost, and I would extend that also to include eastern religions as well.

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

... whereas the "big 3" share a core concept of communal cooperation engendered through the religions rules.

Through the religion's interpretation is the modern day problem, along with communal cooperation being limited to only those within said religion.

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

The second sentence is important. Also I think one need to consider what one puts into the word "wisdom". It certainly isn't synonymous to "knowledge" in the modern sense of that word.

Very good point. Wisdom is closer to a morality which itself is not tied to any specific religious principle, generating common truths adopted by many religions. Definitely true wisdom=/= knowledge.

My only point was these common truths require no religion per se. Certainly religion offers an extended form of community, but with that also comes its downside.

enter_the_zone · Mar 07, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

I would beg to differ. More a facilitator of doctrine within an architecture of "us" vs "them". I agree though if we go back far enough religion in the west was responsible for the safekeeping of knowledge otherwise lost, and I would extend that also to include eastern religions as well.

I depends on what you regard as wisdom, I suppose. I don't see knowledge as wisdom. I see wisdom as that part of human nature which allows a bunch of aggressive, self-interested animals to live in close quarters and co-operate for the good of the multitude. It's basically the part that puts a leash on the animal, to the point where some people now honestly believe they aren't animal first, "human" second.

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Through the religion's interpretation is the modern day problem, along with communal cooperation being limited to only those within said religion.

Very good point. Wisdom is closer to a morality which itself is not tied to any specific religious principle, generating common truths adopted by many religions. Definitely true wisdom=/= knowledge.

My only point was these common truths require no religion per se. Certainly religion offers an extended form of community, but with that also comes its downside.

Very true. But I also feel that the downside is largely due to a deliberate attempt to subvert the religious tenants by those who are supposed to be safeguarding them. Islam today is a perfect example of how this is done, but by no means the only example.

As a Catholic, I look at the church and just think "WTF?". But that's the church, not the religion, a distinction most people don't or won't make. And I don't choose to throw out any wisdom, even when the packaging is polluted by corruption and hatred.

Shadowspawn X · Mar 07, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

The second sentence is important. Also I think one need to consider what one puts into the word "wisdom". It certainly isn't synonymous to "knowledge" in the modern sense of that word.

I agree knowledge is more like skills learned, things memorized and academia while wisdom is more like the sum of your experiences, insights, common sense and the way you access and react to your environment and those around you. However it does seem that it is easier to teach and transfer knowledge than wisdom. We all know people who make the same mistakes over and over regardless of advice given or bad experience of the past.They seem not to get any wiser. Which leads me to believe if wisdom can't be readily transfered from person to person it must come from somewhere else, perhaps somewhere divine?

Medic · Mar 08, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Its a game, if your having fun, your time is not really wasted (....well, it sort of is). Conversely if your not having fun, go play WoW.